The other place that got me good results was the now defunct rpg think tank (now the wonderful nexus nine forums). I’d try and join up. The players must traverse a dungeon full of automatons and magical loot set into the inside of the volcano to reach its heart and confront conquest. The players follow the star to the plains of golgotha, but are too late.
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Worse than that, i think, is the small unit tactics and overall strategy and training. They kept it secret too. Maybe even put the squeeze on the holdouts as they struggle through dungeons and encounters that the “guild” members breeze through.